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  1.  I had to edit out one last sentence. 
  2. (As I’ve discussed with doctorfornothing - I really don’t understand what these words are in terms of categorization/classification.)
  3. Islam’s workings and how nature is in that  - (*Important subject but I don’t think there is any much reliable work done on this.) 
  4. Actual source is “Quotes and points transcribed / paraphrased from the YouTube recording of the talk held in IIUM, Malaysia on 16th July 2012.”
  5. url: http://aneesahs.tumblr.com/post/27666517112/notes-from-prof-tariq-ramdans-in-the-footsteps-of
  6. I was curious about that conference - because the body invited him (Islamic Renaissance Front, Malaysia) sounds so radical (in terms of reforming Islam).
  7. From this blog by Din Merican (who quotes Colin Powell “Don’t Let those Bastards Get You Down”) and IRF (Islamic Renaissance Front: http://www.irfront.org/ - in Malaysia).  I think they are the ones hosted? this Tariq Ramadan talk/conference “Rethinking Islamic Reform” (Malaysia version. UK/Oxford University conference was the start/origin.)

July 21, 2012, 2:07pm  7 notes


akio replied to your post: akio replied to your post: Yeah but then who’s…

I don’t know. I mean. Seems Islam has quite much of history - check Seyyed Hossein Nasr - he might just another Westernizing proponent but, you know, in real life and historic scope, Westernizing Islam is not problem. That’s how Islam emerged too.

It really isn’t the concept of westerners embracing Islam that is the problem, as this was never really the point that I was attempting to make.

Rather, it is this idea of ‘kalaam’ that individuals such as Hamza Yusuf, Tariq Ramadan, and Sayyid Hossein Nasr all embrace. ‘kalaam’ is a mixture of Hellenistic/European philosophy and Islamic theology, hence why it is commonly translated as ‘philosophy’ amongst many Islamic circles. This idea of ‘philosophy’ in Islam is highly contested because often times it challenges the fundamentals of the religion.

Islamic mysticism, or modern ‘Sufism’, came out of this ‘kalaam’ ideology. This is the same mystical ideology that is rooted in European philosophical traditions rather than Islamic ones. Many of the more traditional scholars within Islamic history such as ibn Taymiyya exerted a great amount of energy in attempting to refute these European mystical/philosophical influences back when they were gaining ground within the Muslim world.

Most of these liberalized secular-oriented Muslim ‘philosophers’ are viewed as a westernized bastardization of the religion by many of the more formal scholars of ‘traditional’ Islam. Not to re-mention the fact that a great majority of the audiences that praise Hamza Yusuf and the likes of him come from wealthy ‘liberal’ backgrounds and have a very arrogant attitude towards the foundational traditions of Islamic scholarship.

(Now finally coming back to this! :D! )

But - religion/faith is esp in Islam’s case - it’s something really about how it functions within community level or - more precisely, [our current attention/focus is at] how Islam affects, determines particular Muslim (believers) community/communities’ response to outside world (to other human groups, etc) - [Debate, discussion and clique formations on Tumblr makes me/us confused about why the focus comes down to ‘whose approach/what kind of approach’ - often like critiquing/asserting approach at each individual/personal level. (or at a certain ‘clique’ level). But - that way of framing, setting focus - how meaningful really?]

Modern western world can write off other part as - freedom of religion at personal/individual level or community level. (And I think this framing is quite practical and fine. Intra-Islam debates can be done - in whatever way, so to speak. It’s just there are issues now fall into the parameters or proximities called ‘politics’ and - we have to deal with those as such.) 

Checking how Oxford University etc conducts research on actual (living) Muslim communities and schools of thoughts (rooted in a particular community etc) - I think that’s the way it is. (They don’t bring in this intra-Islam rivalry tension or pressure into that. Of course ‘Research’ isn’t about who’s way of Islam is right or wrong - It’s more about understanding of how a particular human community, group is living, how they are sustaining meaning, - with their version of Islam - and why and how etc. Though, it looks like so diffused -  objective, academic, anthropological field researches too - academic resort - while there are political problems and political power problems coming from the side of ‘First World’.) 

Then looking at ‘their’ answers to this question - 

  • Hamza Yusuf also has response to the subject of Kalam/Kalaam. But those are videos so  I need bit more time to sort out. 

But then as you posted, like most of us do - using basically nothing but Western philosophical discourse (ontological and ethical types, mostly) while deliberating Islam or Quran’s contents - is also another trap. I can see that. 

But then, still, I just can contently return to the historic perspective expressed in this piece: 

Khaled Abou El Fadl (UCLA), The Place of Tolerance in Islam, Boston Review (December 2001) 

Though, I just need all that as more of just merely a part of how human groups live - an entity - which is probably way much more larger. 

And here on Tumblr - still it isn’t out of immaturity or earlier stage of - confusions and in-articulations about 1) what’s for diversity - and 2) what’s for - if one may - want - to make it about rivalry of who’s right or who’s wrong - on sect or community basis - or individual/personal basis. 

And that’s emitting - ‘seizing up everyone’ kind of restraining toxicity - I think. Either you become ‘shut up’ because of that, or become aggressive or have to appeal to defensive - particular styles and approaches. 

*And that sends me back to Sami :) 

  1. From where(s) - all this intra-Islam tensions come about? 
  2. And why Tumblr came to be ‘infested’ with such tensions (of all kinds)? 
  3. And what’s the best way forward? 
July 12, 2012, 6:18pm   6 notes
▸ Hamza Yusuf and Tariq Ramadan - Rethinking Islamic Reform Conference, May 26 2010, Oxford University, UK


The entire transcript of this total 3 hours conference is on: http://rethinkingislamicreform.co.uk/transcript

***The whole transcript is on one page. (Use ‘Find’ command to navigate) 

  1. Question 1 - On having a concrete plan for reform
  2. Question 2 - On Muslim engagement with governments
  3. Question 3 - On the compatibility of unchangeable aspects within the Islamic tradition and Western Liberal Democracies
  4. Question 4 - On dealing with the crisis of community leadership
  5. Question 5 - On the need for reform of institutions of Islamic learning within the Muslim world 
  6. Question 6 - On whether reform implies decreased violence
  7. Question 7 - On whether a Muslim can be a neo-conservative and a good Muslim at the same time
  8. Question 8 - On whether think tanks with relationships to the government such as Quilliam are productive or counterproductive
  9. Question 9 - On managing the challenges faced by Muslims living in Western societies

Entire conference is filmed and available on YouTube:


Source: rethinkingislamicreform.co.uk

May 24, 2012, 11:56pm  3 notes      

“Islam is a diversity of interpretations. The problem is not the book, it is the reader. Tell me the way you read, I will know what is in your mind, but not for sure what is in the text. The ones to blame often are the religious people themselves because the way they present their religion is all of dreams and hopes. It is not dealing with the reality …which is a complex reality.”
Tariq Ramadan (via tariqramadan)

April 14, 2012, 10:13am  51 notes